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  1. § Chris Email said on :
    Joe,
    Did I miss something? Do I not remember you withdrawing your support? In fact, I think your exact words were "I do this with a heavy heart: I'm going to have to withdraw my support for the Holt Bill (HR 811)."

    Now, we're all entitled to change our mind, but it seems saying "I continue to" without discussing your change of heart is almost as misleading as the 811's "disclosure" section...

    P.S. What's the source on the Doug Lewis quote?
  2. § joe® Email said on :
    Meh. I only saw the Election Center document long enough to jot down this quote (although I tried to copy it word-for-word correctly).
  3. § Paul Lehto Email said on :
    As an election attorney, and having litigated one of the six congressional election contests during the 2006 calendar year, I can speak for attorneys in at least 4 of the six congressional election contests in saying that investing anything in POST-ELECTION REMEDIES such as audits or recounts is very ill-advised as a place to invest "election integrity" resources, as they virtually never work and occur after a presumptive "sore loser" is named. This applies to automatic recounts as well, so the fact that Holt audits happen automatically doesn't change much. It's also very hard to see how a 3% or 10% Holt audit is any different than an unconstitutional partial recount was for Gore in 2000, an audit that changes precinct results is the functional equivalent of a recount and thus implicates Bush v. Gore. Lower courts are famously hesitant to do ANYTHING regarding the status quo in elections, but the US SUpreme Court has a demonstrated and memorable record in election termination (during the recount phase, especially) as in Bush v. GOre.

    No matter what the computer science or administrative merits of HR 811 might be, it has to pass legal muster. And I'm saying, when it counts the most, it simply won't work. And we've all got more notice of Bush v. Gore than we could reasonably ask for. At the very least, the existence of this issue gives the admittedly political US Supreme Court an OPTION to accept cert and decide the presidency again, this time perhaps citing all the right studies and even activist literature on the way to invalidating another election. Note well: the existence of a counter-argument (if any) to what I'm saying here does not at all prevent an enterprising attorney from letting the US Supreme Court decide the election. If that happens, we all lose, no matter the result.

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